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Morgenroete November 14th, 2006 04:53 PM

Rifle Equality
 
:Senario:

An Axis soldier with a K43 and an Allied soldier with a M1 Garand encounter each other on the battlefeild. They both see each other, but the Axis aims and fires first. He scores a direct hit to the arm, 90 damage. The allied soldier responds slower aims and fires. He scores a direct hit to the arm, 100 damage and a kill.

This happens all the time, if you think of it this way who has more skill? They both shot the same body part. Both their rifles are semi-automatics, both their rifles utilize a large calibure round. The Axis soldier reacted first, isn't that where-in the skill lays?

As far as all other weapons are concerned, Everything is balanced out well. Except when it comes to rifles, the main-stay of both armies. On the main maps (hill/ava) it seems the allies have the advantage. They spawn with the highground and their primary rifle is superior to the K98.

The K43 was designed to close the gap in this area, its not like the M1 Carbine with its extremly fast firing ability. The K43 cycles its round slower then the M1 Garand. There really isn't a good reason as to why it should only deal an average 90 damage hit.

If the issue of everyone abandoning the K98 for a K43 we can limit the number of people using K43.

buck_futter November 14th, 2006 04:57 PM

uhmmm dont use the k43 yea....

xxkrissixx November 14th, 2006 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buck_futter (Post 3236)
uhmmm dont use the k43 yea....

smartest thing youve ever said... ;)

diamond-optic November 14th, 2006 05:33 PM

i know i know ive been meaning to do this.. just i forget

djnoeck.com November 14th, 2006 05:58 PM

I agree that there's somewhat gap between K43 and garand.
If anyone noticed or not, I have been playing on allies side quite often testing out the guns. The K43 seems to be really losing the ground against the garand due to the fact that the damage coming out from garand is pretty much either 100 or 120 damage. I rarely saw it doing 90 damage where K43 did it most of the time. :confused: I think the gap is not much noticeable until it goes to the hands of skilled players.

Morgenroete November 14th, 2006 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by djnoeck.com (Post 3242)
I agree that there's somewhat gap between K43 and garand.
If anyone noticed or not, I have been playing on allies side quite often testing out the guns. The K43 seems to be really losing the ground against the garand due to the fact that the damage coming out from garand is pretty much either 100 or 120 damage. I rarely saw it doing 90 damage where K43 did it most of the time. :confused: I think the gap is not much noticeable until it goes to the hands of skilled players.

:cool: nice back up there Dj. *frownage krissi*
While your boosting that rifle where are my fraking cows?

diamond-optic November 14th, 2006 08:31 PM

its the same as the garand now...

n00bess November 14th, 2006 10:12 PM

wait... you all know that an arm shot w/ a garand does 90 dmg, not 100 dmg right?

cuz it happens all the time. 90 dmg shots w/ the garand. the k43 and the garand are almost exactly the same, except that you can't reload the garand mid-clip and it takes longer to reload the k43.

this is a pointless argument because your facts are wrong.

diamond-optic November 14th, 2006 10:41 PM

actually...

you might be confuzzelllledddd

.....

but anyway i think im gonna change it a little bit..

right now if the player has more then 90hp and they get shot anywhere BUT the head and chest.. it changes it to a chest shot...

so what im gonna do now is make it so just the arm shots & belly shots get changed to chest.. so that you can still be shot in the leg and not die...

and as always, if the player has less then 90dmg the shot is registerd normally

n00bess November 15th, 2006 01:40 AM

wait did you change the damages on the server? i was just talking about like the defaults of the game.

if you changed the damages on the cdrive server so that garands do 100 dmg to the arm and leg, then... that's not really fair is it? then the garand becomes a one shot kill gun, like the kar, except it's not bolt action. so in that case i'd suggest not changing the k43 dmg's but make the garand dmg's the default.

diamond-optic November 15th, 2006 08:25 AM

its been that way for like 2years.. where the hell you been... im not going to change it back

the defualt garand damage is gay anyway.. where 99% of 'chest aimed' shots register as arm shots

djnoeck.com November 15th, 2006 10:25 AM

haha no wonder. I was wondering about that.
One time I looked through top ranking players, I noticed top garand users/players have unusually high chest hitting percentage. At first I thought they could be cheating or using hack because usually when I aim for chest to hit I hit right arms.(Right arms are typically holding the gun out).
I guess garand is using detuned aimbot.
:D

Aequitas November 15th, 2006 05:24 PM

So i finally spawn Sniper on allies just to find that Diamond clouded the whole stage up. Greeeaaatt

diamond-optic November 15th, 2006 05:49 PM

seriously... for the last time..

wtf is is the stage

Morgenroete November 15th, 2006 07:16 PM

hes having the same error as me I think. Does your map look like this but only when you scope?
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3...lywhitekn9.png

Type cl_fog 0

I had this problem yesterday

diamond-optic November 15th, 2006 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Morgenroete (Post 3272)
hes having the same error as me

turning fog on doesnt = error

its more like = stupid

Morgenroete November 15th, 2006 09:56 PM

As I told you before, when the server keeps switching maps fast. Sometimes it will automatically turn on. I guess you forgot, no one blames your crappy memory.

What we do blame you for is the Nerfing of the M1 Garand. Its on Par with how the K43 used to be, what is the fucking point of powering up the K43 and weakening the M1 Garand.

Leave the Garand as it is, its the main infantry weapon on the Allied team. It was fine before. Krissi is just going to love the change of heart towards the M! Garand.

diamond-optic November 15th, 2006 10:08 PM

too be honest..

i dont give a fuck what you think.. and really.. i dont give a fuck what anyone else thinks...

the garand and the k43 ARE EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME NOW

now.. go and read the thread title here.. notice the word 'equality'

now they are equal

xxkrissixx November 15th, 2006 10:44 PM

it does suck that i cant get one shot kkills anymore.. or they dont happen as often, but it is more because i lack skill.. not because the garand is an inferior weapon..

diamond-optic November 15th, 2006 11:00 PM

i seemed to do totally fine tonight with k43/garand 4:1 ratio with like 150+ kills..

obviously its not the weapon to be blamed

n00bess November 15th, 2006 11:29 PM

lol i had no idea you switched the garand dmg's on the server.


shows how much i play on the server. :D

xxkrissixx November 16th, 2006 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n00bess (Post 3283)
lol i had no idea you switched the garand dmg's on the server.


shows how much i play on the server. :D

thats because your scared of me owning you!!! :p and dont feel bad, he just changed it like yesterday or the day before..

diamond-optic November 16th, 2006 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xxkrissixx (Post 3284)
thats because your scared of me owning you!!! :p


i agree.. thats exactly why

xxkrissixx November 16th, 2006 12:02 PM

lollll........at least you recognize my awesome skills! :D

buck_futter November 16th, 2006 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diamond-optic (Post 3282)
i seemed to do totally fine tonight with k43/garand 4:1 ratio with like 150+ kills..

obviously its not the weapon to be blamed

haha i smell something burning


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